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What?! He advocated for killing HALF the population of the universe. If 95% of the people on Earth vanished in a "snap", we'd still have a global population on par with the population levels during the renaissance. He was wrong, quite wrong. Thanos was grossly under-shooting.
Not to mention the speaking in tongues is often misconstrued as speaking in a weird "gods language" when its actually talking about tongues, as in the plural form of languages. Languages they would hear around them in other countries. Thats all speaking in tongues is.
I went to a church that did that alot. And the pastor wife would tell me that i need to be in service on the weekdays and if the kids try to stop me its the devil using them. 🙃 I definitely left and didnt go back.
My grandad was Pentecostal, I went to church with him once when I was 8. They asked if anyone was new to the church so I raised my hand. They asked me to come kneel at the alter, then they entire congregation got up and surrounded me. They began laying of hands and speaking in tongues. Freaked me out beyond belief, wasn't sure if I was about to be sacrificed.
My extended family was super religious. My branch of the family, not so much. At a family reunion one year, I was about 10, my great aunt and uncle called me and all of my cousin’s into their room and my great aunt (who I would only see once a year, tops) told us that she had a vision a few months prior and god spoke to her one night and told her that I would be a great warrior for Christ and that it was imperative that I give my heart to him. She was a Christian country music artist and my uncle was her manager and I guess they were at some kind of party when this happened and multiple people saw her have this vision.
I remember looking around at all of my cousin’s and they had this look on their faces like what the fuck. And also kinda, “What am I? Chopped liver?” lol. God only gave a fuck about me, not them apparently.
Anyway, my aunt then asked me if I was willing to give myself over to Christ. I asked her what that meant and she said all I had to do was say that I was accepting him into my heart or something. I asked her if I could think about it. She said yeah, of course, and I managed to avoid them the rest of the week of the reunion.
When you are on the outside looking in you can really see how strange all these folks and their rituals really are.
Because their God doesn't like horny stuff. It's a sin and forbidden to be all over the place and enjoy it so the worshippers get off of it. They are like children, drawn to everything that's forbidden.
Pentecost 33ce, is when the Jews were anointed with holy spirit from god and given the command to go out and preach the word of God to all the lands around them. They were able to do this by being granted the ability to speak in tongues. Just like the saying "mother tongue" mean mother LANGUAGE, it means the same thing. Its just speaking in foreign languages.
Its a very weird concept that people seem to think it means speaking in some gibberish. Its also fun to note, that depending on which area of the world you live in where they belive in tongues, they will often reflect their native languages sounds and accents to that language. If it was truly God's words, wouldn't there be some sort of similarities between each region?
Bible also says you shouldn’t ask for the power of speaking in tongues without asking for the ability to translate what is being said. Speaking gibberish that nobody understands does nobody any good
I was in a Christian group home for a while and they had a pastor come in to give us a step by step tutorial on how to speak in tongues, and then he was like, “okay you’re all set go take some time to try it, it’ll really work!”, but I knew he was full of it because that’s just…not how that works so I just went outside so no one would know I wasn’t trying 🥲
Word. Historically, this ‘false speaking in tongues’ is not the pure form, but many believe is from temporary demonic possession.
Occurrences of ‘righteous speaking in tongues’ traditionally has occurred after prayer and by someone who exhibits righteousness and humble faith and is in the pure Adamic language, spoken by all people and tribes. before the Tower of Babel.
When this has rarely happened, another person in the congregation. stands and through inspiration, translates to the congregation what is being said or often sung. It is usually uplifting and about Heavenly Father and the Savior’s love for us. It is a short occurrence and very rare, and considered very sacred.
It does not involve causing people to faint or have epilepsy like fits or roll on the floor. That is considered a sign of temporary demonic possession and it’s sad that this woman is exposing these unsuspecting people, to this group hysteria,
my favorite bit:
" For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."
That there sure as shit is not something "modern" Christans generally follow.
That’s why it’s so powerful, they all claim to have read it but none of them have even flipped through it. One dude just says “a Bible says this” and they am start doing flips and will die defending something they haven’t even verified.
No, pentacostals been doing that shit for a long time. James Baldwin even described a scene like that in Go Tell It On The Mountain if I remember correctly
Yup had to go to this shit as a kid. They made you feel like a freak or that God didn't love you because you weren't freaking out like everyone else so you'd quickly start faking it. Only realized much later that everyone also learned that at a young age and we're just still faking it as adults.
Yep. I was raised in a Pentecostal Holiness church. If you didn't fall out, they thought you were possessed. I was a little troublemaker back then so whenever they tried to push me over, id bend my knees a bit to stabilize myself. It worked until a guest preacher literally put a hand on my back and literally pushed me until I folded.
I was asked to go to one as a Catholic. I know Catholics are all kind of fucked up in our own way, but I was genuinely frightened by a Pentecostal Holiness service.
Evangelical megachurch with an attendance like 4x the population of my hometown also scared me. I did that one way more, because I was with an evangelical guy. No one ever forgave me for my infant baptism though.
I’m much happier sleeping in on Sunday’s and not having to skip dinner on Wednesdays because services ran for hours.
One time I went to this Easter thing with a girl some Easter Saturday party, and it was way out in the country in a big warehouse looking building behind a new/used atv dealership. Get in to the place and there’s this dude tied to a cross looking haggard. I asked about it and discovered that he was tied to the cross on Friday afternoon, and would be taken down on Sunday morning; no one was supposed to give him food or water. I was like, he’s gonna give a sermon after being crucified all weekend? That’s the glory of god, I was told. I noped out of there. Shame, because she was an absolute freak.
I follow a few fundie snark communities, and many ex-fundamentalists have said the exact same thing, that they just pretended because they were afraid people would think they weren't godly enough. Then, it just carries on into adulthood and cycles.
This is precisely what planted the agnostic seed in my head, as a kid. My parents went to a Pentecostal church and every Sunday my parents would "shamala hamala" with rest of 'em. When I was ~8, I would pray and beg for the spirit of God to pour his countenance upon me so that I might be moved to "shamala" too. Never happened. For years I prayed, crying bitter tears because I thought I was outside of God's grace. (I'd let the neighbor boy touch my penis and was not repulsed enough. Therefore I was a homosexual. Hence, full blown AIDS. At 10 years old, in 1990, I was convinced that I was going to die from AIDS and the obvious evidence being that gawd wouldn't help me talk like an asshole).
Same here. Had to witness this crap and was shamed because the Holy Ghost wouldn’t choose me. It was more like, when this was happening I was thinking to myself, “ya’ll look stupid as hell.”
I grew up Methodist in a VERY Pentecostal area, and when people started doing this shit, it would scare me. As I got older, I realized it was just a big performance, which has been confirmed to me by multiple people.
It’s not just for TikTok it’s a big part of the twisted and deeply disturbing evangelical tradition in the us. The more you get befuddled by the spirits the more faithful you are.
It’s not just performative for Tiktok. Even before Tiktok was around, people did this weird ass shit. Like it’s still performative and fake. But it’s not just a Tiktok phenomenon. This kind of behavior has been going on for *literally* hundreds of years.
This happens in certain Christian sects even when there is no video evidence. I cannot speak to other religious traditions about this type of behavior. It’s mostly isolated to more charismatic traditions like Pentecostalism. It is colloquially called “slain in the spirit.” It is difficult to gauge the authenticity of this spiritual expression and experience, though it does smack of performative behavior as there are passages of scripture within the Christian Bible while state that an interpreter is needed when speaking in tongues and the motivations of spiritually rooted behavior ought to be grounded in humility.
Source about being “slain in the spirit” and other charismatic experiences is below. Be mindful of the sources you use as different sects have different views and some can be combative and not really offer any helpful info about certain practices.
I'm assuming you haven't met a Pentecostal. They are a real religion that exists outside of TikTok, and has long before its existence. If you visit one of their churches, you will see people do this with zero cameras present and with dead seriousness. They also tend to give crazy amounts of money to their pastor, so I don't know who this book signer is, but this behavior also tracks with them.
... That makes it worse in my opinion. Like I wish this was the equivalent of TikTok dancing, but these people are likely serious and take this into their decision making in real life. Unless you know more context about the video than I do, then I apologize. It's just the same behavior I've seen from Pentecostals with zero witnesses present, no cell phones etc. and they still do all of this flip flopping dramatic shit.
Yeah probably because they give her the most money. If she's going to limit her ministry to the USA that's still 50 states plus DC and the territories. If she's going to split that evenly throughout the year that's a ton of travelling. Of course she's going to pick a favourite state.
The saddest thing about this is their lives are probably totally empty despite having families and careers. Perhaps due to mental illness or maybe causing it. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be so easy to impress them with superficial acts of “love”. Imagine that a total stranger’s positivity can make you convulse and pass out. Yikes!
I went to a church that did this as well. It progressed to adults pretending God was speaking through them and telling child me that I was the savior of the church and would lead the congregation to heaven. Fucked me up bad
I believe it is going to get a lot better for you. My wife grew up in this same mess and she is a completely wonderful and happy person as an adult now
Next time you see a performance by a hypnotist, remember this video. A lot of people out there are just looking for a permission structure to act like a complete fucking buffoon in public.
You’re trying to say that people are willfully pretending and you accidentally gave an example of how placebo is a hell of a drug and minds can do weird things to people.
Honestly that aspect is probably the only good thing about this. Being able to babble and shake and cry in a supportive environment has to be great for your nervous system.
where's that post about the person who really believed in God because of the energy they always felt in church but the first time they went to a concert they also felt that
I’m being quite pedantic here, but these people are arguably not Protestant. They usually reject most tenets of the Protestant Reformation, and have little to no historical ties to it. These Christians are usually part of non-denominational charismatic movements. Little to no oversight, huge emphasis on spiritual events, and usually strong ties to Christian Nationalism.
EDIT: to clarify, I’m not trying to be like “they’re not true Christians!” I’m trying to approach this purely from a categorical approach. A lot of well-established Protestant Denominations want nothing to do with them. Especially the really traditional, high-church, non-evangelical ones.
To pedant back at you, isn’t Protestantism rooted in Martin Luther’s idea that the church is not needed for God to speak to man, which led to any person who thought the Christian God was speaking to them now having the ability to say whatever they believed was the actual true teachings of Christ because Christ literally told it to them. This means any biblically based delusion can become a technically Protestant religion because it is a protest against Papal authority. Look at the Anababtists in the Münster Rebellion in 1535. Their actions were pretty far from what one may consider a Protestant, but they were 100% perfectly following the rules of their Protestant faith (as they made it up). I think they’re all fucking nuts, from Leo to Olstein to the dude on the street corner or even old grandmas clutching their rosaries, so it is nice to be able to group them all into the same religious phylum that started with Luther’s nail in that church door.
The Catholic/ Protestant division was primarily over authority - does the Pope have the final authority or does the Bible have final authority. The role and necessity of the church is more the axis that Baptists and Presbyterians vary on. For Presbyterians, Jesus made his covenant with the church and it's still necessary to connect with God. For Baptists it's a much more individual relationship that can align more with your characterization.
Yep. Im a german protestant, the country Luther was from, and I dont particularly feel connected to any american christian.
Its a very very different culture.
I get what you're saying. People tend to call most non-catholic christians protostents bc they don't know the difference between denominations, nor the history of schisms and reformations. Presumably that's what the person you're responding to was doing
The hospital becomes overrun by Pentecostals. Nurses and doctors are facing severe burnout. They can't help anyone because they can't understand anything they're saying but they keep trying to catch snakes and bring them inside.
Weird how they always handle snakes and talk gibberish, but never want to drink poison.
"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
I have a friend that grew up going to a church where they do this stuff. He said he faked it every time and only did it because he didn't want to embarrass the pastor, and his dad would have probably beat him if he didn't and.
But for the people that are all in on it, I wonder if they really do feel like they feel something that makes them convulse or if they're just doing what they is expected of them to feel like they're part of a community or to display their level of faith?
I grew up in a church like this and refused to participate in any theatrics. Kids at church camp would pray over me for hours and hours, but it never worked. Poor little Pumpkin was never slain by the spirit, never spoke in tongues, never felt any desire to raise her hands, etc. When I refused to be baptized, they were horrified and probably convinced I was an actual demon.
As someone from Ireland I would usually think this seems like its only an American thing a bit, but when I was in Lourdes on a "pilgrimage" with my diocese, there was one of the days we were in Mass.
Before this particular service we were told that some people faint when blessed and not to panic. Low and behold the most performative person 'faints'.
Now, to be fair, it could just be peoples brains doing funky things to them because they were influenced, but it is strange nonethe less
Can we fucking stop? Seriously, can we fucking stop now?
It’s too this point where it’s in our goddamn classrooms, it’s all over the government and you know what, it’s about as far from the 10 commandments in terms of how it’s being delivered as humanly possible.
Raised catholic for the record. But this is not what the beattitudes or lessons I learned about humility and forgiveness look like in practice.
You wonder why America has problems? It's because you have weak minded people ready to be grifted out of their money while charlatans like this author are happy to make their living off of these rubes.
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